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		<title>By: nicomachus</title>
		<link>http://nicomachus.net/2009/04/time-warner-cable-getting-greedy/comment-page-1/#comment-2077</link>
		<dc:creator>nicomachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanner -- UVerse is already available in some parts of Durham. I believe in the southern portions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanner &#8212; UVerse is already available in some parts of Durham. I believe in the southern portions.</p>
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		<title>By: nicomachus</title>
		<link>http://nicomachus.net/2009/04/time-warner-cable-getting-greedy/comment-page-1/#comment-2064</link>
		<dc:creator>nicomachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And municipal wireless. And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.indyweekblogs.com/triangulator/2009/03/30/anti-muni-broadband-bill/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;municipal broadband&lt;/a&gt;. Seriously, why aren&#039;t there any alternatives to the one broadband provider in a given town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And municipal wireless. And <a href="http://www.indyweekblogs.com/triangulator/2009/03/30/anti-muni-broadband-bill/" rel="nofollow">municipal broadband</a>. Seriously, why aren&#8217;t there any alternatives to the one broadband provider in a given town.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://nicomachus.net/2009/04/time-warner-cable-getting-greedy/comment-page-1/#comment-2059</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I want to know is what happened to all the alternative braodband providers.  Sprint had a great cellular service.  Worked in the west because you had to have line of sight.  There was also going to be broadband through the power lines.

Wonder where it all went.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know is what happened to all the alternative braodband providers.  Sprint had a great cellular service.  Worked in the west because you had to have line of sight.  There was also going to be broadband through the power lines.</p>
<p>Wonder where it all went.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffS</title>
		<link>http://nicomachus.net/2009/04/time-warner-cable-getting-greedy/comment-page-1/#comment-2051</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem with limits in theory.

What I do have a problem with is a reduction in my service. To compare it to cell phones, you&#039;re currently paying for, and receiving, an &quot;unlimited plan&quot;. They&#039;re now wanting to charge you the same and restrict your minutes. 

Don&#039;t forget that it&#039;s not exactly a free market. Local government have granted (or sold) monopoly rights to these companies. A monopoly should come with restrictions. Ask TWC whether they&#039;d rather give up their bandwidth cap or allow another provider to start pulling cable and you&#039;ll see my point. 

I&#039;ll cancel just on principal at this point. They&#039;re never going to stop pushing as long as people are willing to keep paying through the nose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with limits in theory.</p>
<p>What I do have a problem with is a reduction in my service. To compare it to cell phones, you&#8217;re currently paying for, and receiving, an &#8220;unlimited plan&#8221;. They&#8217;re now wanting to charge you the same and restrict your minutes. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that it&#8217;s not exactly a free market. Local government have granted (or sold) monopoly rights to these companies. A monopoly should come with restrictions. Ask TWC whether they&#8217;d rather give up their bandwidth cap or allow another provider to start pulling cable and you&#8217;ll see my point. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll cancel just on principal at this point. They&#8217;re never going to stop pushing as long as people are willing to keep paying through the nose.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://nicomachus.net/2009/04/time-warner-cable-getting-greedy/comment-page-1/#comment-2043</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just download that mix and bump that Buck Owens while the marginal cost of tunes is still nil.

Huggggs!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just download that mix and bump that Buck Owens while the marginal cost of tunes is still nil.</p>
<p>Huggggs!!</p>
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		<title>By: nicomachus</title>
		<link>http://nicomachus.net/2009/04/time-warner-cable-getting-greedy/comment-page-1/#comment-2042</link>
		<dc:creator>nicomachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not the way I see it. TWC now has an incentive to set its bandwidth caps (when it rolls them out, because it will roll them out) much higher than the ridiculous 4 — 40GB/month. Something more like 250GB/month might be more reasonable.

And... we agree that coercive force is sub-optimal. I just think that government coercing corporations is a lot more tolerable than corporations coercing individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not the way I see it. TWC now has an incentive to set its bandwidth caps (when it rolls them out, because it will roll them out) much higher than the ridiculous 4 — 40GB/month. Something more like 250GB/month might be more reasonable.</p>
<p>And&#8230; we agree that coercive force is sub-optimal. I just think that government coercing corporations is a lot more tolerable than corporations coercing individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://nicomachus.net/2009/04/time-warner-cable-getting-greedy/comment-page-1/#comment-2041</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so bandwidth congestion will continue and get worse as providers have no incentive to increase capacity or engage in peak load pricing to encourage users to access bandwidth-heavy content during off-peak hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so bandwidth congestion will continue and get worse as providers have no incentive to increase capacity or engage in peak load pricing to encourage users to access bandwidth-heavy content during off-peak hours.</p>
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		<title>By: nicomachus</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicomachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Success... for now.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/04/16/business/AP-TEC-Metered-Internet.html?_r=1

April 16, 2009
Time Warner Cable Shelves Plan to Cap Internet Use
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 4:43 p.m. ET

Time Warner Cable Inc. is shelving its plan to bill customers based on how much Internet traffic they generate, following mounting public and political outcry.

Time Warner Cable&#039;s capitulation doesn&#039;t bode well for the future of metered billing of the Internet, in which people who use more bandwidth pay more.

Frontier Communications Corp., a Time Warner Cable rival in one key test market, Rochester, N.Y., also has dropped its plans for metering Internet use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Success&#8230; for now.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/04/16/business/AP-TEC-Metered-Internet.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/04/16/business/AP-TEC-Metered-Internet.html?_r=1</a></p>
<p>April 16, 2009<br />
Time Warner Cable Shelves Plan to Cap Internet Use<br />
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS</p>
<p>Filed at 4:43 p.m. ET</p>
<p>Time Warner Cable Inc. is shelving its plan to bill customers based on how much Internet traffic they generate, following mounting public and political outcry.</p>
<p>Time Warner Cable&#8217;s capitulation doesn&#8217;t bode well for the future of metered billing of the Internet, in which people who use more bandwidth pay more.</p>
<p>Frontier Communications Corp., a Time Warner Cable rival in one key test market, Rochester, N.Y., also has dropped its plans for metering Internet use.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take Big Brothers over Big Brother any day.

There is, for me, something fundamentally wrong with the use of coercion.  Not morally or ethically wrong.  I could care less about that nonsense.  No - practically wrong. It undermines the very social dynamism you seem to value as much as I do.  It disallows experimentation with new forms.

Yes - even &quot;oversight&quot; of &quot;big business.&quot;  Especially oversight of big business. 

Democracy is a pathetic substitute for peoples&#039; ability to vote with their dollars.  That is about as fluid and non-hierarchical as you can get.  Especially when compared to the state.  Any state.

Sure a government that imposes what we want on everyone else (and makes them pay for it) is the best of all possible worlds.  But it is not a practical expectation.

But then - I don&#039;t think either one of us is being very practical.  But I do think you could make a solid public goods argument for coercively financed free internet.  Just don&#039;t expect the internet we get to improve much.  Without a profit motive, why would anyone take the extraordinary risks needed to seed innovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take Big Brothers over Big Brother any day.</p>
<p>There is, for me, something fundamentally wrong with the use of coercion.  Not morally or ethically wrong.  I could care less about that nonsense.  No &#8211; practically wrong. It undermines the very social dynamism you seem to value as much as I do.  It disallows experimentation with new forms.</p>
<p>Yes &#8211; even &#8220;oversight&#8221; of &#8220;big business.&#8221;  Especially oversight of big business. </p>
<p>Democracy is a pathetic substitute for peoples&#8217; ability to vote with their dollars.  That is about as fluid and non-hierarchical as you can get.  Especially when compared to the state.  Any state.</p>
<p>Sure a government that imposes what we want on everyone else (and makes them pay for it) is the best of all possible worlds.  But it is not a practical expectation.</p>
<p>But then &#8211; I don&#8217;t think either one of us is being very practical.  But I do think you could make a solid public goods argument for coercively financed free internet.  Just don&#8217;t expect the internet we get to improve much.  Without a profit motive, why would anyone take the extraordinary risks needed to seed innovation.</p>
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		<title>By: nicomachus</title>
		<link>http://nicomachus.net/2009/04/time-warner-cable-getting-greedy/comment-page-1/#comment-2038</link>
		<dc:creator>nicomachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here we get to the heart of our differences, Kyle. I&#039;m not at all invested in who&#039;s better organized. In fact, I&#039;m weary of organized bodies generally since they predominantly maintain organized efficiency through strict hierarchical structures. The more organized an entity, the more efficiently it can usurp power from individuals.

Besides, all that institutional organization comes at a cost -- the institutional dilemma is just the accounting of all the energy that institutions expend to maintain their efficient output. Corporations excel in organizing for productivity; governments (some better than others) excel at managerial tasks.

I am more interested in post-managerial organizing, or the kind of organizing that&#039;s made possible when the costs of forming groups is lowered and/or abolished. The Internet facilitates forming groups by making available the tools of self-organizing and self-publishing. Blogs, Flickr, wikis... these are all tools that facilitate spontaneous and unplanned, as well as deliberate and planned, group-forming behavior. That is, I&#039;d rather opt out of the institutional dilemma, and many of the tools made available to the public, often for free, via the Internet, make it more possible than ever before to opt out.

So, my issue is with limiting the use of, and thereby access to, the Internet. And given the requirements that we place on governments for transparency and accountability, and the fact that in a democracy the people are the rule-makers, I&#039;ll take more government oversight and less corporate oversight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here we get to the heart of our differences, Kyle. I&#8217;m not at all invested in who&#8217;s better organized. In fact, I&#8217;m weary of organized bodies generally since they predominantly maintain organized efficiency through strict hierarchical structures. The more organized an entity, the more efficiently it can usurp power from individuals.</p>
<p>Besides, all that institutional organization comes at a cost &#8212; the institutional dilemma is just the accounting of all the energy that institutions expend to maintain their efficient output. Corporations excel in organizing for productivity; governments (some better than others) excel at managerial tasks.</p>
<p>I am more interested in post-managerial organizing, or the kind of organizing that&#8217;s made possible when the costs of forming groups is lowered and/or abolished. The Internet facilitates forming groups by making available the tools of self-organizing and self-publishing. Blogs, Flickr, wikis&#8230; these are all tools that facilitate spontaneous and unplanned, as well as deliberate and planned, group-forming behavior. That is, I&#8217;d rather opt out of the institutional dilemma, and many of the tools made available to the public, often for free, via the Internet, make it more possible than ever before to opt out.</p>
<p>So, my issue is with limiting the use of, and thereby access to, the Internet. And given the requirements that we place on governments for transparency and accountability, and the fact that in a democracy the people are the rule-makers, I&#8217;ll take more government oversight and less corporate oversight.</p>
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